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Just as everything is working perfectly now on the XK-3 I thought I'd ask if something new is possible!

The transpose up/down on the XK-3 does send midi data out (typical Hammond-Suzuki NRPN data, of course). Would it be possible for the HX3 to use this for its transpose function to allow remote operation (i.e. when the HX3 is positioned out of reach or inside the XK-3)?

MidiPipe shows $63 0 $62 1 $06 64 for the normal (non-transposed) position, then 65-70 for half-steps up, 63-58 for half-steps down.

Maybe it's too tricky but I thought I'd ask :-)

Paul

I'll think about it. Thanks for the NRPN info.

think... think... think... think... think... think...

Yes. will be in FW #3.823

Thanks Carsten, very much appreciated.

The XK-3 also sends damper info on midi ch.2 (the lower manual) when the expression pedal side-switch (or other foot-switch) is assigned to this function ($40 127 - notes held $40 0 - notes off). I guess this is normally for controlling other types of external keyboards but it does sustain the organ sound, too. The HX3 doesn't recognise sustain, and this is not normal Hammond behaviour, though I think it can be very useful musically. Maybe I'm in a minority of one here :-) but is the HX3 programmable to recognise a sustain command?

OK, I'll try not to mention any more XK-3 peculiarities... :-)

Thanks again

Paul

Hi
We had in the past the discussion about "transpose function" several times
Anyway about any possibility if or if not we must recognise that the HX 3 module only emulates the
91 tonewheels - never besides this frequencies any other " generator " which can produce higher or lower
frequencies except those 91 ones who are implemented.
That means if there is any transpose up or down a halftone ( or more) You will miss at one end (higher than last key 1 foot or
lower than first key 16 foot ) some notes.
If You can live with that there is no problem to realize, but if You want to hear some sound on those "keys with missing sound"
there is a simply NO GO.
Btw ....... a real Hammond organ can´t be transposed ( perhaps a little down for few seconds when turned OFF )

The simpliest damper pedal needs no MIDI CC set or so
Just use a TOOTHPICK :mrgreen: believe me it works

..... off topic mode

It´s always the same when anybody asks for transpose function.
A real Hammond doesn´t know this possibility. If You want to transpose You have to learn
the song in another "wanted" tune.
Perhaps in beginning some difficult but at the end it doesn´t matter for You anything ... YOU CAN

Beside this effekt You learn to hear what tune is played even on radio music, because Your " inner ear" is trimmed
to the correct tune of the tone scale of A = 440 Hz and the intervalls to other tone frequencies

If You learn any keyboard like piano the beginning is always C Dur - only white keys.... WHY ???
On first sight it looks easy but in reality it is the difficultiest tune ( for the fingers )
If You play in Ab or Eb tune it´s much easier ( for the fingers ) and if You have ever played
together with brass instruments or so you will be in better position because this tunes ( Ab / Eb ) are the favorite
tunes for those instruments ( and many vocals )
Btw : If You know a tune in C Dur play it simply in Ab or Eb tune ....
finally You will recognise in those tunes it sounds better ......just from beginning

So finally when You learn a song in any tune try to play ( and learn) it also + / - 3 Halftones too.
At last You will get progress in such things even getting better from one step to next one.

Finally You need no transposer ..... never ever

end of off topic mode

Actually, all I asked for was that the transpose function that is already available from the HX3 menu panel is controllable from the switches of the XK-3. I gave Carsten the NRPN numbers and he thought it was possible. I know tones are lost when transposing but I don't think this is a problem when needing a quick and easy solution to a last minute change of key (by one or two steps), especially in a complicated arrangement. Sometimes the sight-reading is enough to cope with on a gig, especially with no rehearsal!

Still, HappyFreddy is correct in suggesting that it's good to learn to transpose, and I know that there is also a big difference in sound quality between different keys. The ears learn the relationship between the physical position on the keyboard and the sound that is produced which is why any transpose function is only useful for one or two steps up or down. I used this in reverse a couple of times on a gig. The song was an easy sequence in 'G' but I decided that it was fun to play it in 'A' or 'F' in order to have a different physical pattern for the improvising. To keep things correct for the singer I used the transpose function so that the key he sang in stayed the same.

Paul